@jackdaniel @stragu and that one results in better sorting on most default settings

@ajft @stragu To stay neutral then UTC is probably better than GMT, see https://www.timeanddate.com/time/gmt-utc-time.html ; this also avoids the AM/PM format that is just confusing, like all timezones abbreviations when they are not of the format "Continent or Country/City" (sometimes even a state in the US can have 2 legal timezones at the same time, depending on the city you are in)

@pmevzek @stragu true. old me is old and I end up saying GMT. Now don't even think about getting onto the subject of peoples' names in applications and the US-centric "christian-name, one mandatory middle name, surname"!

@ajft @stragu or even better: UTC +/- nn

@LunaDragofelis @stragu Agreed, I think I replied about that. Old habit that I first learnt it as GMT and keep referring to it that way. (repeats to self, UTC, UTC, UTC..)

@alm10965 @stragu The day starts at 00:00, ends at 24:00 (which is the same as 00:00 of the following day, which is why you'll never see it on a clock).

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And then put in, that extra confusion, with AM/PM
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@alm10965 @stragu from 00:00 to 23:59 :)

@pabs @stragu this is wrong. when you consider the individual digits (which is the entire purpose of the triangles) it should look like this

@xnx38h @pabs @stragu I gotta agree with xnx38h. Y-M-D is best for a variety of reasons, while M/D/Y and D/M/Y are pretty equally bad, but at least M/D/Y is written in the order we (US) say dates. (Please: use Y-M-D for everything technical or formal or international!)

@xnx38h @pabs @stragu D/M/Y has "logic" in that each increases in size... but does that translate to any real world benefit? If you sort by DMY you get the most-interleaved, worst order of these three. It's like writing binary LSB first, or timestamps SS:MM:HH

@touk @pabs @stragu yeah like i'd rather have mm:ss:hh than ss:mm:hh

@touk @xnx38h @pabs @stragu OTOH, D/M/Y is written we (NL) say dates.

@mvz @xnx38h @pabs @stragu Right, they're both valid as written forms of how people speak. 🙂
I think we all agree Y-M-D is great because it's sortable, unambiguous, most-significant-first, filename-friendly...

Now... US weights, volumes, distances, 12-hour time... are much more deserving of criticism 🙃

@pabs @stragu It's literally just "the way you say it when you talk."

"When is Halloween?" "October thirty-first, I think."

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@Magess @pabs @stragu that's not universal. In British English we say "the 31st of October". Cause and effect are very strange here.

@iMartyn @Magess @pabs @stragu Brits used to say it the way Americans do but started changing in the late 19th century to align more closely with the mainland where in romance languages it was spoken with the day first. It's only the "standard" because Europe made it so. The actual ISO standard is YYYY-MM-DD. Apps should instead just adapt to the locale.

@pabs @stragu The second logic in this picture isn't logic at all. It's just insane

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oddly enough it still seems to work on all phones or accounts, as my wife's is still showing that ridiculous format...