Can we please, please – PLEASE! not make the nonsensical US date format month/day/year the default in applications? 🤦♂️
PRE 👏 TTY 👏 PLEASE
And to all users of that format: it makes no sense, it's counter-intuitive, it makes collaboration frustrating, it introduces inconsistencies and errors... Just stop. Please. Use international standards.
(And don't get me started on your other units of weights, volumes and distances. Bloody hell.)
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@stragu ISO-8601 or death
@stragu YESSSSSS SO MUCH THISSSSS.
@stragu yyyy.mm.dd or go home
@stragu YMD or DMY. MDY is cursed
@stragu the least confusing format which has no ambiguous counterpart is yyyy-mm-dd :)
@stragu I use YY/MM/DD since lexicographical order and chronological order coincide.
@stragu you’re correct insofar as asserting that this is a bad practice. incorrect insofar as assuming you will get americans to care.
@stragu and display timezones as GMT+nn, I have absolutely no w@#$@#$ idea why central mountain time is!
@ajft @stragu To stay neutral then UTC is probably better than GMT, see https://www.timeanddate.com/time/gmt-utc-time.html ; this also avoids the AM/PM format that is just confusing, like all timezones abbreviations when they are not of the format "Continent or Country/City" (sometimes even a state in the US can have 2 legal timezones at the same time, depending on the city you are in)
@stragu "American date format, invented by me it was" (Yoda)
Also abandon feet, miles, inches, pinches, furlongs, gallons and other archaic and confusing units.
@stragu my ranking of best formats:
1. UTC unix time (for APIs and stuff)
2. ISO 8601
3. everything else
month/day/year - American
day/month/year - European
year/month/day - International
Oookayyy, an when should they start it ?
On 12AM or 12PM
@stragu I need more accounts here to boost this. Like a few thousand more.
@stragu I lived here for most of my life at this point and it still makes no freaking sense.
@stragu very "logic"
@mvz @xnx38h @pabs @stragu Right, they're both valid as written forms of how people speak. 🙂
I think we all agree Y-M-D is great because it's sortable, unambiguous, most-significant-first, filename-friendly...
Now... US weights, volumes, distances, 12-hour time... are much more deserving of criticism 🙃
@iMartyn @Magess @pabs @stragu Brits used to say it the way Americans do but started changing in the late 19th century to align more closely with the mainland where in romance languages it was spoken with the day first. It's only the "standard" because Europe made it so. The actual ISO standard is YYYY-MM-DD. Apps should instead just adapt to the locale.
that made me check if #Niantic had fixed their US-centric date format in #PokémonGO, which I'd reported as bug #feedback to them a while ago: https://mastodon.social/@FiXato/104371032452675323
Which it looks like they did!
I mean, sure, it isn't #ISO8601, but at least the catch dates are now displayed in the device #locale, rather than whichever developer's or team lead's preferred format, which make it *my* choice, which is a win in my book.
oddly enough it still seems to work on all phones or accounts, as my wife's is still showing that ridiculous format...
@stragu also stop making sunday the first day of the week in your app, please
@Sapphaos OMG yes what on earth
@stragu I shall thrown another in: DIN 5008 for letters.
@stragu And please use international time codes too! At last no AM/PM 🤪
But what incentive do U.S.Americans have to switch? Applications shouldn't be storing dates in any format that can't be translated without loss off information.
Based on how people around me react to non-American date formats, if applications for Americans were to start using international date formats, they'd get a dreadful number of downvotes and complaints.
Wouldn't a better choice be to make the date's display abide by the operating system's setting?
Yes! It needs to be YYYY/MM/DD - that's how we deal with numbers in other contexts.
@stragu Use ISO 8601 format instead.
I signed a contract this year and filled in the date in yyyy-mm-dd format. Everyone involved gave me a hard time about it and a few were concerned writing a date this way would make legal problems later.
America is a weird place, even if you're from here.
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