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This is an **excellent** podcast about (and so much more), with Richard Feidler interviewing historian Rutger Bregman. The most inspiring (sorry) chat I have listened to in a long while.

abc.net.au/radio/programs/conv

I have found Bregman to be quite optimistic, and that is a very refreshing thing. I'm looking forward to reading his book, _Utopia for Realists_.

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